Todd Cordell: Blue Jackets Re-Sign Dana Tyrell

Never reached the 50% possession mark? Bust.

Never reached the 50% possession mark? Bust.
- rangerdanger94

Well, if you don't produce any offense and spend significantly more time in your zone than the offensive zone, it's safe to say you're not very good.

Todd Cordell: Blue Jackets Re-Sign Dana Tyrell
- Todd-Cordell

Is she hot?

Well, if you don't produce any offense and spend significantly more time in your zone than the offensive zone, it's safe to say you're not very good.
- Todd.Cordell

Mike Green has better Corsi than Ryan McDonagh. Does that mean that Green is a better defenseman? That he strips the opponent of the puck and gives his team possession more than McDonagh? Or is it just because Green takes a poopload of shots and plays with Ovechkin who also takes a poopload of shots?

Hence, Corsi is inaccurate.

Mike Green has better Corsi than Ryan McDonagh. Does that mean that Green is a better defenseman? That he strips the opponent of the puck and gives his team possession more than McDonagh? Or is it just because Green takes a poopload of shots and plays with Ovechkin who also takes a poopload of shots?

Hence, Corsi is inaccurate.
- rangerdanger94

I'd say it's because McDonagh takes on all the tough defensive matchups, and Green is spoon fed offensive zone starts. It has some flaws, but if you know what you're looking at and how to do it properly it's useful.

Is she hot?
- lumlums

If your referring to that queen character in game of thrones for house Tyrell then yes.

Mike Green has better Corsi than Ryan McDonagh. Does that mean that Green is a better defenseman? That he strips the opponent of the puck and gives his team possession more than McDonagh? Or is it just because Green takes a poopload of shots and plays with Ovechkin who also takes a poopload of shots?

Hence, Corsi is inaccurate.
- rangerdanger94

Which is why people use player usage charts and the WOWY charts. Corsi gives some information, the usage charts make it look pretty by putting it on a graph with quality of competition and zone starts, and the WOWY charts tell you how a player did with different teammates.

Mike Green has better Corsi than Ryan McDonagh. Does that mean that Green is a better defenseman? That he strips the opponent of the puck and gives his team possession more than McDonagh? Or is it just because Green takes a poopload of shots and plays with Ovechkin who also takes a poopload of shots?

Hence, Corsi is inaccurate.
- rangerdanger94

Corsi is one number. It gives you one piece of data. It doesn't mean that it's not useful, nor that it isn't also inherently limited. When Corsi is used properly in conjunction with other available stats, then a more accurate and complete picture can be painted...

Never reached the 50% possession mark? Bust.
- rangerdanger94

Exactly especially with a small sample size. I'm glad you point out when people provide useless and or misuse stats.

I liked Tyrell when he was here in Tampa. Small, but plays with speed and energy. Solid 3rd/4th line depth forward.

Which is why people use player usage charts and the WOWY charts. Corsi gives some information, the usage charts make it look pretty by putting it on a graph with quality of competition and zone starts, and the WOWY charts tell you how a player did with different teammates.
- CaptCrankypants

The WOWY charts use a very small sample size and whenever I bring up QoC and zone starts and close situations, the person I'm arguing with links me 2 or 3 articles about how those are irrelevant.

I was debating with Michael Stuart about Stralman. He's been using charts that show Stralman is basically one of the best defenseman in the entire league so I pulled the data that adjusts for zone starts and only uses game situations that were tied or within 1 goal which also showed that he played the easiest competition out of any other defenseman on the Rangers and he posts a bunch of articles about how there are an equal amount of home and away games so because of line change advantage QoC and zone starts even out.

This is why I hate fancy stats. People pull specific situations and specific stats when it helps their argument and then take those same stats and discredit them if it makes a player they like look bad.

The WOWY charts use a very small sample size and whenever I bring up QoC and zone starts and close situations, the person I'm arguing with links me 2 or 3 articles about how those are irrelevant.

I was debating with Michael Stuart about Stralman. He's been using charts that show Stralman is basically one of the best defenseman in the entire league so I pulled the data that adjusts for zone starts and only uses game situations that were tied or within 1 goal which also showed that he played the easiest competition out of any other defenseman on the Rangers and he posts a bunch of articles about how there are an equal amount of home and away games so because of line change advantage QoC and zone starts even out.

This is why I hate fancy stats. People pull specific situations and specific stats when it helps their argument and then take those same stats and discredit them if it makes a player they like look bad.
- rangerdanger94

It's the misuse of stats in general. People develop an opinion and then select only stats that backup their opinion thus making it fact.

Exactly especially with a small sample size. I'm glad you point out when people provide useless and or misuse stats.

I liked Tyrell when he was here in Tampa. Small, but plays with speed and energy. Solid 3rd/4th line depth forward.
- Feds91Stammer

NHL games over the span of like, five years, including a season where he played 78 games is a small sample? lol

NHL games over the span of like, five years, including a season where he played 78 games is a small sample? lol
- Todd.Cordell

The 32% CF you reference is your blog is based on 7 games, so yes that would be a small sample dippoop. If you stated the 45-48% CF Tyrell had the previous 3 seasons I wouldn't be giving you a hard time.

Mike Green has better Corsi than Ryan McDonagh. Does that mean that Green is a better defenseman? That he strips the opponent of the puck and gives his team possession more than McDonagh? Or is it just because Green takes a poopload of shots and plays with Ovechkin who also takes a poopload of shots?

Hence, Corsi is inaccurate.
- rangerdanger94

Corsi is inaccurate if you're basing your opinion of a player entirely upon it. It, like every other statistic, is a part of the big picture.

The 32% CF you reference is your blog is based on 7 games, so yes that would be a small sample dippoop. If you stated the 45-48% CF Tyrell had the previous 3 seasons I wouldn't be giving you a hard time.
- Feds91Stammer

Sorry, but the auto-correct to "dippoop" made me laugh.

Roughly half the players in the league are going to be below 50% Corsi, it is great to have players above 50%, but it isn't realistic to say that every NHL'er needs to be a positive Corsi player, it is impossible. I love the advanced stats, but there is more than stats.

Corsi is inaccurate if you're basing your opinion of a player entirely upon it. It, like every other statistic, is a part of the big picture.
- eichiefs9

100% agreed. Corsi is useful as part of the picture. It's just annoying that people who don't watch more than 1 or 2 games of a player think they know everything about him from Corsi nowadays.

I'm sure you saw more of Tyrell than that Todd, but I'm talking about other bloggers.